At 3:51 PM -0500 1/10/03, Don wrote:
>  > For some unknown reason, my PC started working again ... I hadn't tried it
>>  for over a month and it fired right up....
>
>Great!  Let me know if you still want some newer parts ;)
>
>>  SO, I got Timbuktu running on it (first time), and since it's LAN-based,
>>  it's as fast as using it directly, tho it'll take a little getting used
>to.
>>
>>  SO, when you're ready for the new "ultimate laptop", consider the new 17"
>>  powerbook and remote control your PCs :-)  Dave :-)
>
>The 17" PowerBook has a screen area 68% of the size of the one on my laptop,
>the CPU FSB is 63% of mine, by a benchmark that Apple is touting on their
>site, the overall speed is less than half, while the price is over $1k more.
>The PowerBook's case is definitely nicer though.  Between outdated CPUs &
>CodeWarrior lag, Motorola has probably done more to harm Apple than
>Microsoft by now.

We are at a point where speed is all relative.  With the latest OSX, 
right now I Have 13 apps running and a half dozen OS "extensions" on 
my 3 year old TiPB whose transition between is nearly instantaneous. 
(Even Eudora with almost 50 windows open!  In fact, I did not even 
realize I had so many apps open until I counted the little 
triangles!) For every one of the apps , except the real hungry java 
ones (JBUilder on jre1.3.1), performance is excellent for what I do. 
And the JBUilder thing is also relative since most of my time is not 
spent compiling...  I have two Java apps running.  All my apps are 
available within .5 seconds of wake-up.  I have not rebooted my PB 
since I installed the last OS Update.  The update was one click away, 
as many things are.  And my IM does not have ads!;o)  I run Terminal 
all the time for my power needs...  I prefer wide windows to long 
skinny ones.  Unix is a great thing.  The UI is a work of art (mosty 
and haxies can turn things off if I need to)!  Most apps do, and 
always have looked the same.  I have had multiple monitors since 1987 
or so.   I really like like Using it and I have never had to rely on 
speed to justify my choice.  I do thend to vote for the underdog, so 
I admit I am biased.  My mother only called  a few times in the first 
week, and 2 times since getting her iMac.  I spend almost no time on 
supporting  8 macs that I, my wife and kids own.  (I am not saying 
they are perfect as we both remember the dud of a dual I initially 
received and once in a while I get spinning beachballs for a few 
seconds.  But I did drop my TiPB 3 feet on its corner and lost no 
data and could use the machine until their technician sent it back 
with problems...)  Viral issues are minimal as well.  In fact, my 
email is not an entry point for a viral attack.  Did I mention Unix? 
How about running many posix based XWindows apps after a remake?   I 
have transparently plugged into client networks of Windows, Unix and 
mixed nature within minutes of having the required info. (Even under 
OS9 with the right extensions!)  And an admin has said more than 
once, "How did you do that so quickly".     Need I go on?

So, I concede that you are 100% correct on the facts.  And I 
certainly agree to the Motorola point!  However, it is sometimes hard 
to judge a product, as complex as PCs are today, only on physical 
facts.  It is the whole experience that counts.  Many of the features 
windows users claim are because of Apple and Xerox...  True, I am 
biased; I say "TomAto" and you say "Tomaaato"...    I agree, yours is 
faster and apparently bigger!;o)...  But it is how you use it, that 
counts!8O)

One last thing, try doing this in the background on your machine in a 
transparent dos window with no "apparent" effect on the other apps 
you use:
grep "Something" `find / -newer ~/a.java -user rickb -print` | wc  -l &
It is done across the whole mounted filesystem and I did not have to 
type ":" based drive designators anywhere!   And that is something 
that took me 20 seconds to do without a need to look anything up... 
(I actually did not try it but it is very close!;o)

And apparently,  I get more comments about it in public!  It is a 
huge chick magnet!8*)  All this from something that is way older, 
smaller and slower than yours...

Hmmm...  You can keep your Bill Gates tainted and infested machine, 
I'll keep my OSX enabled experience!;o)

>
>Glad to see you've overcome Apple's insulting marketing with objectivity!
>o_O
>
>~Don


  -Rick

BTW, other than JBanner/IM based product experiences, what else would 
I have to argue with you about!;o)